Today we interview Brett Garman, Digital Operations Officer at Fix256 & Greg Ohanessian, Co-Founder & CEO at Fix256.
Brett is an Air Force veteran and has been involved with Blockchain since 2015. He has a moderate-sized mine in Charleston SC and is the founder of The Blockyard LLC.
Greg Ohanessian is experienced in high-density crypto mining facility design. He has been involved in software and development projects. Designed multiple mining farms since 2013. Operates a 30MW farm in Atlanta and manages VC Mining LLC.
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Okay. We’re live here. I’m your host of the crypto mining tools podcast. Scott offered, we have our cohost Ethan Zurka here.
Hey everybody. Ethan here. And I’d like to introduce our two guests today. We’ve got Brett and Greg, Brett, Greg, tell us a little bit about how you fit into the world of crypto.
I’m a miner. Greg’s a miner and it takes all of our time right now
I got into mining back in 2013 and I’ve been started out as a home hobbyist miner and have become kind of an expert in all various types of basics. And I’ve done some crosses, custom software development. I’ve also done repairs of Antminers. So a little bit of everything. Also, I have a mining farm.
Tell, tell us why, why is it so noisy there right now?
Cause we’re inside of a mining farm. We’re in the [inaudible].
Okay,
Okay. Yeah. So you’re not allowed to show us, but behind you is, is like a really big in mining farm that you guys are at today.
Yes.
What, what are you guys there doing today?
We’re right now we’re in a ant miner or an training Academy to get fit Maine certified. Okay. I hash board repairs on the [inaudible] the first one in America. It means here. Actually we have a representative from Bitmain sitting over here and Greg is the lead instructor of that class. Okay. So we are wrapping up testing today and tomorrow and then we will be certified fit made engineers level one.
That’s awesome. How many people are in the class today? Seven.
Yeah. This class is the first that they had in the U S so it’s relatively small just to kind of do a test run of everything.
You’re your Britain breaking ground there. That’s awesome.
Are you guys certified to do other Bitmain products? Not just the [inaudible], like can you work on the [inaudible] and the [inaudible] and whatnot?
Yeah. I mean I’ve, I have experience with most of them. I actually gone to every amp miner since the first [inaudible], but I’ve been trained on [inaudible] [inaudible], [inaudible], [inaudible] [inaudible] our supplier repair and a little bit on the Xenon menus, which are not really something that you can fix on site
Now in, in your expertise since you’ve, you know, had all this experience both in, in mining and also you’re very knowledgeable about the re repair of the miners. What is the most common point of failure that you see in these miners that, you know, maybe something that, that people could change the way they’re setting up their facilities to get more life or you know, a lower failure rate.
I mean, the most common failure, first I would say is probably power supply related. A lot of those failures usually are due to like high humidity type of conditions. So if you’re able to control the dampness of the air in your facility, that should help prolong the life of the virus by second most common failure would probably be a fan. And obviously if you keep the filters or make sure there’s no debris inside your machines or every so often, you know you can prevent some of those types of failures. And then after that it’s mostly a a hash board. And to be more specific, it’s usually like one or two failed a six on a hash board. The board you go down now in the new has seventeens there’s other types of faults that can arise like something called an E prom error. We’re also gonna just shut the whole machine down.
How long
Similar to what you would have seen on an S and nine in a kernel log where you’d get like a pick error, you’ll see the equivalent of that in the 17 is, is the primary,
Okay. Would you say that the [inaudible] are more intuitive and easy to troubleshoot or is it about the same as, as like an S nine?
I would say it’s a little harder actually. There’s more pieces that can go wrong with them. Hash boards like Internet’s nine that you could interchange between units. It’s not as simple to do on an S 17. So if you have one board that’s down on your miner and you want to swap it out, unless it’s the exact same version, it may not work in the machine betweenS 1717 pro. There’s some different information that’s stored in the prom. So if you were to nix those boards between a machine, it would just shut down.
Oh really? Interesting. That’s very interesting. Now I’ve also heard that there’s some sort of logic going on with the power supply too, and that I’ve had people report that they need to have all of their power coming from, like it can’t be split up between outlets like it all needs to come from the same feed.
Well, it’s a little more than that. The, the control board is actually connected to the power supply, whereas on the [inaudible], you know, everything was just a standard 12 volt DC power supply. Now some of the manufacturers are starting to move towards a PSU that can vary. It’s whole digital depending on the operating mode and the miners. So yes, 17 pro power supply will go anywhere from say 14 volts to 21 volts, depending on the modes it’s in. When you first boot it up, it’ll start at it, operate in 21 volts and then it’ll start dropping itself down and usually settle around like 18 and a half, 18.4 volts. And they moved away from the PCIE connectors and they use a standard bus bar. And so there’s a patient cable that’ll go from the control board to the PSU that actually tells it, you know, when to throttle the voltage up and down. And then it actually takes readings out of it and you’ll see in the kernel log that just indicate what the digital monitor is actually running it. So it’s also made it a little bit more complicated in that you can’t use third party PSEs they think you don’t. At least not yet. Nobody’s figured that out.
Yeah, definitely. Now so a question about the two of you. You guys have another venture that you have together, right?
Yeah, it’s typically safe is something that we do. We travel around and it’s kind of like
Mmm,
Seal team, six, five, her Bitcoin mining and repair. Okay. Now we can drop in anywhere and fix pretty much anything. So yeah, I mean basically, you know, we’ve, we’ve all come to know a number of guys in the industry that are maybe their own mining farm operators, you know, have a pretty unique skillset around the mining space. So we started to put together a group of these guys that are all familiar with everything from the dam put together my first training class. So all of our recruits that are part of our team have gone through the training class with me. And that goes through all the in depth knowledge of how to read the credit logs, how to do parts swapping and diagnostics. And a client could hire us on a project basis to come in if they want one guy, two guys, five guys, you know, we’re ranked, that will come right on site to their, to their location. We can do the repairs or we can do deployments. I actually hired my own company since I was doing this training this week. We had to do a blended as seventeens and a hire three guys from our group to come down there and about.
Nice. Now Greg, can you walk me through the process of, of what it takes to swap out and a sick onboard? Like what are the steps, you know, you, you remove the hash board, you’ve diagnosed like this one, a sick is bad, it needs to be replaced. What’s the next step?
Sure. So it’s a little more involved in that. I mean you know, there’s two types of failures that you’d see. One where the hash boards just missing completely from the miner and then you’ll see others where like it’s missing a chip. Maybe it’ll have 48, six instead of 63 or something like that. So if you see a dashboard that’s missing chips, typically you can just go find that chip on the board, take the heat sink off,
Mmm
Solder, a new chip on. And there is a what they call a test jig that you can use. It’s like a control board. That’s rigged up so you can just plug one hash board into it, click a month, it’ll run that diagnostic test and tell you if it’s reporting all the ACX and if attention. Correct.
Now is that something that is a easy to buy or is it, you know, like very specialized? Yeah,
I mean normally it’s only available once you’ve completed the training through Bitmain directly, they’ll open up access to repair tools and purchasing Aesics and other parts that you’d use to repair certain boards and control boards. So typically you can only buy it from mid-May once you’ve completed that class. Okay.
Now when you decide on a sick chip, are you using like a soldering iron or is it like a one of those heat gun things or,
Yeah, you use the heat go. Okay. I mean basically each chip has a number of really small little pins on it and first step is you have to apply some solder paste to the pins on that chip and then you go and you put it in place on the board. You heat it up with the econ and it’ll cure itself in place music. Cool. It actually eats things on the [inaudible] side. It’s connected with solder paste. The other side’s connected with this black type of a proxy. Seventeens they did epoxy and it’s all just based on both sides.
Now can you tell us the, the benefits of repair versus replacement? Like is there a cost advantage that that hosting farms get?
Well, I think it comes down to really the economics and the machine you’re trying to fix. So, you know, for us recently, you know, with the price drop of an [inaudible], it’s been more consolidation of customer’s equipment. So we could go onsite, you know, separate out good working hash boards, put them in miners that have broken hash boards. The costs of repairing and the time to repair. And that’s nine hash work. When it is nine, it’s probably around $90. Right now it’s not. But honestly, internet 17 much more expensive machine, probably the same amount of time to fix an a 17 board as it isn’t as time is a greater benefit there. So initially when you have a warranty from the manufacturer, something’s new for the first six months, you probably just go through the warranty channel. Once you start going outside of warranty, it, it probably make sense to go do the repairs yourself.
And if you were in a scenario where maybe you were consolidating miners, you may have a, a batch of effective hash boards. Have somebody just prepare that batch of boards and then you can use them as replacements for others. So we always in my farm have bins of replacement Ash boards that we can go out and field service, a miner, swap out the board, but all the broken ones that have been, and then we have another crew of guys that pair them and whatever they bring back to life, we typically do a overnight quality check where we run them on a miner and just make sure that they don’t fail. Once they pass that check, we all get ready to pull it back out.
Yeah. yeah, I’d like to talk a little bit more about your own farms, your own individual farms. But first let’s just talk about our sponsor a little bit here.
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All right. So yeah, guys, let’s, let’s hear more about your miners. And what you’re doing.
Totally. My mind is something that I’ve built up all by myself. A couple years ago when I met Scott because I bought a bunch of dragons and he helped me out a lot through that process anyway, me and my brother built it and we had one point has a little over 300 hundreds, but now we’re down to about 150 and I’m slowly upgrading to the [inaudible]. I’m letting the old inventory retired. I’ve learned a lot through that experience because I wasn’t an engineer or anything, so I had to get a lot of trial and error, learning expensive. But I’ve learned a lot of lessons that can really save some time and energy.
What, what is the single most important lesson that you’ve learned that you can impart with the our audience
In regards to Bitcoin mining? I would say airflow, air flow, air flow, understand pressure and air. And you know, I was really freaking out about the temperature. It gets hot with Charleston. I have in mind get some a hundred degrees last year the hottest day was 97 degrees in my mind, but I was fine. Everything was fine because I had the right kind of air flow. So temperature is these miners are not, in fact they like to be hot and that the rest of the teens, you’ll know this, you won’t be able to start them in the cold. So anybody who has an outdoor mine or whatever, you’re going to have to warm them up before you start them up. 17 has a more finicky and more sensitive. Even with the chip removal process, you have to use lower heat thresholds than you would with an S line because you’ll go private ship. So
Now Brett, when, when you were getting into mining and building out your farm was that during a bull run or, or a bear?
I would say bull run. I got, because I got involved in crypto 2015 well I started paying attention during the 2014 crash. And then I didn’t do anything about it until 2015 when I saw the bear, well, the bear whale incident, the 300 and then slowly went there. Like sometimes they went down with two 75 but it helped 300 per deal pretty strong. And when I saw that and it never went any further, I was like, okay, this might be legit. And then I’ve started looking into it a lot more heavily and started buying it up. And then it’s about 2016 I bought my first time. Oh wow. That’s a good time. I pretty much went all in on that, on the mining. I loves it, federal employee for quite some time and it was very stressful. So I have to say like, and this is my opportunity to do something else. So I moved myself in that situation and now I’m a Bitcoin miner, which is not stressful at all. It was what I did before, so, yeah. Huh. Okay. All right.
You and I met in Miami at that Bitcoin Miami conference a couple of years ago, right?
Yeah, that’s right.
And then you bought those dragons. And I hope those are alive for you
Dragons. Yeah, let’s, let’s get them sold. Yeah. What was the question? Sorry.
Oh yeah, I was just wondering I said I hope you were able to get an ROI off of those.
Oh yeah, I think so. They’ve been what it’s been two years now running and they were making some good money there for awhile. Yeah. In the beginning they were doing pretty good. Greg, I’d like to hear your story. So now that we’ve heard bread, but let’s, let’s get to your story. All right. My story is a little interesting. So I first found out about Bitcoin. I was at a party over the summer
At somebody’s house. And I heard him and some of his coworkers talking about Bitcoin and it was really not like mainstream when I got involved. So, you know, I kind of listened and when I went home, like I usually would be able to just say, Hey, I gotta Google this and figure it out. Right? So I own, I mean I’ve formed and own many technology companies and I had wholesale accounts with, you know, big companies that supply graphics cards and motherboards and things like that. So started ordering GPU Ray GPU cards to my house and staying up all night and just figuring out how to get the miners to run. And within a few weeks it became a complete obsession and my whole basement was filled with GPU rigs. I had my electric I still have some of the remnants of this stuff in my basement from when I started. It then started to take over my server room at my office in addition to my basement cause I ran out of space. And then I outgrew that and I I started going on the quest of where can I get the cheapest power. So I’m from New York and the, the power rates, they’re are terrible. I think when I was mining, I was paying around 22 cents a kilowatt. Oh my goodness.
You should strategic in how I went about doing things to try to make a profit. I I located a town about 20 miles away from me that owned their own power plant and the power, cause there was by half what I was paying. So I rented a warehouse there and turn that into my first official mining farm. And as Brett said, you know, there were some lessons learned about exhausting and I mean I ran dozens of miners with a real small air conditioner and some exhaust fans and cheap home people showing. Okay. So I I ended up giving up that mining farm and that was probably around, I guess it was 2016. So before the market really took off before the big nice bull run that I had. I don’t know anybody’s familiar with the KFC miners, but I had a lot, a lot of KFC miners and I bought them during a recession when people who paid $10,000 or something for them were selling them for 2000 or $3,000.
So I, every time I had spare money I was just buying them for when I’m in my farm and I actually ran some of those Viners for about two and a half years and sold them for the same amount of money I paid for the nice to come back. I sold them. Yeah, I’m pretty much sold off all my miners at that point and just went into trading crypto being more active on some of the forums. So I’ve been on Bitcoin talk since probably 2014. Prior to that I was like, actually I don’t like coin talk long before big points off, but I was always involved in both and I really got heavy into light coin first and then switched over to big point answered. And I’ve always kind of mind both in tandem.
Okay. What was it like buying and selling equipment back then? Obviously I think probably the Bitcoin talk forum was, was a good source for you there.
Yeah, I mean most of the deals then took place on Bitcoin Zola and there were guys selling their equipment on eBay or you know, other haven’t uses, which I think I bought probably like four or five of my cans see machines on people on eBay that were just like, man, I bought this thing and I’m never going to be the dragon. I just want to get rid of it. And K and C for awhile it was a really company and then towards the end they started having problems with a, they went under, but they made this product the last run, which was called a Kanzi Titan, which hash rate wise was probably about the equivalent of an L three, but we’re talking two or three years before the Oh three came out. It was a little bit heavier on power. You know, efficiency wasn’t quite the same, but they were very temperamental machines.
They would have chips that, you know, go offline frequently. So even then I started working with guys that I met on the forums and how can we optimize the firmware and how can we stabilize the machines? And I had a lot of them, so it was a really good test case to really see if the algorithms that we’ve put together on tuning them worked. And that was kind of like the early generation of the auto tuning that I think exists in the us nines today. You were kind of tuning each core dye on a particular AC to get maximum performance out of them.
That’s the only kind of auto tuning I like.
Yeah. And now obviously as the miners have become more complicated, it’s, it’s, I think more important than ever. I mean, optimizing voltage frequency, airflow, temperature, all those things. Really the operating range of a miner today is, is as much narrower than what it was, you know, early my first and last one was 180 gigahash and I mean, I seen guys running them in the coldest parts of Canada and they would run no problem and then block them and they were fine, you know? Yeah.
All right.
And then after, after that warehouse, I went on and I built a few others. And and then I moved as a client down to Atlanta, which is where I have my mining farm now. And they brought me in as a, as a partner to run the division focused on cryptocurrency mining because it was a traditional data center. And now we’ve got about 15 megawatts running at our site. We were one of Maine’s largest customers in North America for the amp boxes. So our farm is primarily cries and boxes.
I’ve heard a lot of farms using the amp boxes and you know, I’ve heard some different reasons as to why chosen over you know, just con, you know, conventional rack based mining. Can you tell us your thoughts? Like why go with the antboxes versus a, you know, a traditional, just rackmount mining?
Sure. I mean, we knew before the inboxes was, was that even an option for us? We did our own version of an Antbox, which was like a prefabricated building that we put together and holds about 1500 as nines. And you know, all the racking and everything was done and the cost per spot was probably not that dramatically different than than the Antbox route. Maybe Antbox came out a little bit cheaper. But the big savings was mostly on the labor because we didn’t have to hire contractors and outsourced electrician.
We have our own facilities guys and with the amp box they had everything ready. It just showed up. All he had to do is run a power feed to it and internet and plug it in and turn it on. And we were ready, plug and chug. Yeah. So it was a little bit faster to build and labor savings and not having to outsource contractors and just do it all in house. I still think that our design of the, of the building that we put together using eggs, you know, exhaust fans is actually better than the Antbox just because it has like a negative pressure. So it was a miner, you’re not going to have all the miners around it overheating because the hot air is bleeding. Yeah. So you know, they have boxes is good, you know, it’s cheaper to deploy, but I still prefer like a custom built structure and I think our next expansion, which will be another 15 megawatts will be a prefabricated building.
How many, how many boxes can you run off of one megawatt just out of curiosity to amp up? Yeah, it’s probably about two. Okay. All right. Your question, Scott, sorry.
Yeah. it completely escaped me. But what changed the topic a little bit here and maybe a little controversial, but we, we have a viewer on YouTube right now asking what miner is better? The [inaudible] or the [inaudible] pro, obviously there are two very different machines.
Yes, please let me know. Yeah,
I’ve never I didn’t get a chance to look if they have the 20th yet. Have you? I have, yeah. Let me, it comes down to personal preferences, I guess. And you know, every miner’s kind of veered away from the standard form factor. I think that the S 17 is the superior products. I do like, you know, from a density perspective, the [inaudible] is going to give you a much higher density for the spot on the rack. But you know, for guys like me who’ve spent a lot of money on infrastructure, you know, using a different power plug may seem trivial, but it’s a big deal for us to have to go retool or unracking and chaning from a C13 to a C19. So I prefer the S17 in the sense that it slides right into two [inaudible] slots in our facility and it just takes up the same two plugs that were already there.
Yeah, that’s, that’s the biggest difference that I’ve seen really is if you’re going to be buying the, the micro BT and 20 S or something like that your farm really has to kind of be built out for that. Otherwise, you know, your existing [inaudible] might not work that you might be melting wires and everything. And from what I heard from the very beginning was that, there were a lot of farms in China, for example, that just weren’t very well suited for the M20S and that the M20S was going to be more for the North American market. I don’t know if that is just because of the way that the farms were built out. Or what, but yeah, I think the S17 definitely you can just kind of plug it in where to S9s used to be because of the two power cable thing. But the M20S you definitely have to build your farm more, more suited for that.
Yeah. And I think if your focus is on how am I going to get the highest amount of density into this certain amount of space, then [inaudible] might be your better option if that’s your primary goal. But if you’re doing a retrofit or conversion like we’re doing and as seventeens is private, there are options. And I think at this point, even now, the efficiency or, yes, 17 particularly the new one, the pro, the plus is superior, you know, Whoppers or Ash wise. Yes.
Yeah. Those are coming out to be around what, 72 terahash.
I got a few early batch ones and they’re running the treat 75 and a couple of even in 78 wow.
Have you guys heard yet of the S 19 and if so, what do you know?
I mean other than it’s probably in the works, but you never know.
[Inaudible] Name Andy. Hey Andy [inaudible]
He works with [inaudible]. Right. They want to know if there’s a set pace. 1919 York. Honestly it’s sorta hard as they are when they walk a certain way. We have the company soon or it’s a two [inaudible] so maybe coming soon next year.
Not to put you on the spot, but do you think that might be a five nanometre or do you think it might still be seven Mentimeter
Yes. Before it every time, you know before it’s last, everything is hard to say. Yep. We also looking for to say that. All right. Nice to meet you. Thank you Andy. Thank you. Great, thank you.
Yeah. My opinion on that is it’ll probably just be a a further optimize seven Datameer. We were quite ready for five yet. But, so yeah, I kind of feel
Like the the, the five nanometer might be maybe two years away. It’s, it’s hard to know for sure. Everybody has different, yeah.
I mean really the, the, the, I would say the cell phone market kind of leads the industry because they’re the biggest consumer from these manufacturers. So,
So we’ll see that come out first with the, with a mobile phone.
We don’t, we don’t have five nanometer chips in our iPhones yet, so I don’t think we’ll see it miners until that happens.
Yeah. And, and I saw a recent article, I think online saying that what was it? Oh, it just escaped my mind. But, but anyway, that
Probably that TSMC just spent a large amount of capital to start R and D plans. Four, five, nine meter. Yeah.
That. Oh, and then I also heard that well it was kind of unclear because it, I didn’t understand if the article is saying that bit Maine was using like three to 5% of the foundries capacity or if that was all a CIC mining crypto mining chips all put together
Think it was crypto in general. But yeah, like Apple represented like 80% their their production. So it puts it into perspective that cell phone market is still quite a bit bigger than the mining market. Yeah.
That’s awesome. That’s, that’s phenomenal to know. All right.
Definitely growing fast. I don’t think Bitcoin mining is going anywhere. You know, over the last several months is mind blowing and the stuff you’re going to see next year, it’s just going to be amazing. It’s an industry and I, and honestly I think right now as, as much as the price may not reflect it, there’s a lot of growth happening behind the scenes. And I mean a lot of people are preparing for the future and the fact that the headings coming and, you know, it’s really it’s really growing pretty rapidly. Even though, yeah,
Yeah, yeah. The price is hold onto their hats. Right. Hey guys, can you let us let our audience know how they can reach out to you guys and get ahold of you guys. I’m sure there are a lot more questions that people have and we just didn’t have the time today to get to everything, but you know, how can people reach out to you guys and, and learn more?
Sure. Well, I mean, I’m on telegram, my username on telegram to my trip and Brett’s hash monk on telegram as well. Easiest way to get
Telegram. Okay.
Right. And before we go, why don’t you tell us one more time a little bit about the company that you have with Brett and Greg and who are the other team member is in that company.
Yeah. So our, our other partners to bias, you know, he’s helping make the contacts with the clients and getting a simple work arranged. I’ve been kind of the lead on the tech side of things and managing our guys onsite at our project. And you know, it’s like I said, it’s, it could be used for deployments. We can be used for [inaudible] repairs training. Yeah. Training of staff if needed. I also just operate as a consultant in general. So I, I’ve helped clients with, you know, network design, facilities design.
Mmm.
I also have a custom management software that I’ve, that I’ve developed for running my farm. So we have a couple of pilot customers using that. And yeah, I’m pretty much, I’m full game crypto now and I have other businesses and I decided to focus full time on this.
Yeah. Awesome. so, so Tobias a lot of people might not know that name, but what, what other names does he go by? Clean dad. The coin dad? Yes. Yeah. No, they’re on telegram and Twitter. Yes.
So, so we’ve been doing some pilot missions as we would call them on the 55th stupid, these six side over the last three months. We gained a lot of, a lot of traction already. A few clients we’ve done work for have been repeat clients and calls us back multiple times. We have probably about nine or 10 guys in the group now that are spread out throughout the U S you know, our claim to fame is that, you know, we can have boots on the ground as fast as 24 hours if it’s a rush. And you know, we’re, we’re contract based, so whenever you need us, just give us a scope of work, how many people you need and we know what we have to bring and we show up and bring our own tools. I’ve got some of my own custom tools that I’ve developed over all the years of repairing miners. I mean, I, I had to guess and I’ve probably repaired over 10,000 miners at this point in my life.
Ooh.
It had been built over the, over the years that we’re going to bring with us on our deployments that really give us kind of a competitive edge. We did one project where it’s seven days, we repaired about 2000 miners for a customer.
Wow. That’s amazing. That’s amazing. Fingers must’ve been sore.
We’re doing launches though, are doing our official 20, 20. Yeah. I mean, I, I’ve actually wore a hole through my glove and through my finger, this area right here.
Huh. I know, I know what that’s like. Well, Hey guys,
To get on the podcast at this time because we’re so new year, we’re getting ready to get started and everything.
Yeah, I think you guys are going to nail it. Thanks for coming on the podcast. Thank you so much, you guys around. Alright, take care. Bye bye.
Yeah.
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