Edward Evenson of Braiins & Slush Pool will be a guest on the 42nd episode of the Crypto Mining Tools Podcast on November 2nd, 10:15am CST. Participate in the live recording with your questions and comments about their BOSminer with Stratum implementation. From a literal back-of-a-napkin concept to a full-featured CGminer alternative, BOSminer is a new standard for mining software written in Rust language. BOSminer is a full-featured CGminer replacement made by Braiins.


It’s going to tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got into it, the Bitcoin and mining in the first place.

Yeah. So hi everyone. I’m Edward. I head up BD here at brains and slush pool in terms of how I got started. I’d first heard about it a long time ago, just back in university, but I never really looked into it just through conversations with friends. And then when I actually started getting into it was right before I moved to China. I was in grad school, over in California. I started doing some research into it, but I didn’t really like go heavy and on it, just experimented with really small purchases. And then by the time I was I had moved to Shanghai, I had really gotten the thick of it going to local meetups and the people that attend these meet-ups at the local bars in Shanghai. And there were people that were into altcoins, people that were into Bitcoin people that were developing on Ethereum some miners that were hobbyists for the most part. Sometimes people would bring their machines, their GPU rigs, or their ASICs, just show them off and get people give people a firsthand, look at them. And from there I was kind of hooked and I built my network in there and I, when it was presented to me, looked at the opportunity to enter the space professionally and make it my job. And then also to be in Shanghai and Beijing for a little bit. And now I’m in Prague.

What a, what a way, man. That’s it’s kind of crazy. Everybody has their own stories. And, you know, for me, I just kind of realized that if, if one thing in my life didn’t happen,uexactly how it did. I wouldn’t be where I am right now. And,uyou know, it was only a few years ago that I personally didn’t even know anything about Bitcoin or cryptocurrency and,uyou know, here we are at, at the top of our game. Right.

Yeah, exactly. Hopefully not at the top. Hopefully we have. Yeah.

But yeah, well, that’s great to hear how you got into Bitcoin. And that that’s crazy that, that you’ve been all over the world like that. So I suppose you do have some interesting stories, just kind of working for pools or other other projects around there or, or in China you said, I think offline you were doing something before 2019. What, what was all that about?

Yeah, so before I was at brains and slush pool, I was over at F two pool in, heijing. Umhat’s Sierra, I’m trying to think of interesting stories from there. Um lot of it was just kind of, in retrospect, just looking at the drastic differences in how people approach Bitcoin in China versus other regions that I’m now more exposed to being over at, hrains and slush pool. Umnd I guess the obvious thing that just sticks out is the scale at which it’s done. Umou know, people get really excited for these announcements from miners in Canada or United States, or maybe, hcandinavia about, Oh, we’re going to reach one extra hash or two X a hash by the end of 2021, or maybe Q2 2021. But, you know, there’ve been minors that have already been at that for quite some time.

And then especially when you look at there, there are some minors I’ve encountered in China that have operations in xingjiang Sichuan, inner Mongolia, all over as well as investments in the middle East and CIS region. And, you know, they have upwards of five X a hash. Those are of course, like the largest examples, but it still just highlights how long they’ve been doing it and their access to supply chains and just what a different scale they’re operating on over there. Right. Whereas over, you know, in North America, you see a lot more vertical integration into the mining stack. You’ll have people that own the, the, the power, the data center maybe they’re working on, they’ve created their own minor monitoring system, right. They have their own firmware you know, maybe an energy grid program or something like that.

Whereas things are still much more compartmentalized over in China. And this is because, well, I imagine because they haven’t really had a need to vertically integrate to become competitive yet. You know, you have one person own the data center with the electricity and you’ll have large miners that just own the machines that host them there, but they can get incredibly low rates for the wet season being like 3 cents per kilowatt hour all in. Uand then, you know, it’s all just much more spread out into different entities and they they’re much more comfortable. It seems like,ufocusing on that one thing as opposed to spreading out and vertically integrating, but we’re starting to see that change a little bit now.

Right? Yeah. That, that vertical integration is, is interesting. And you know, you did mention the, the wet season as well. Yeah. Th the fact that, okay, so the miners are made in China, you know, that’s where they come from. They get the first pick at the latest and greatest new minors. Sometimes they have the inside scoop. So, you know, they they’re hashing maybe even a couple months before other people are hashing on, on the newest and greatest mining equipment. Right. so yeah, like, like you were saying that the competition hasn’t necessarily spawned innovation as far as that vertical integration goes. But yeah, let, let’s just back up a little bit and just talk about the wet season. Cause that’s obviously an interesting topic every year. It happens where you know, it starts getting out of that wet season into the, into the dry season. And, and what, what kind of impact does that have on, on the, the Bitcoin ecosystem would you say?

Yeah, so and we, we saw it and may of this year when the wet season really starts going a lot of the contracts start and people turn on their new machines. And then you know, a lot of the supply chain in China revolves around this wet season, like hardware manufacturers try to release machines kind of lined up with it. People get their, their data centers ready selling contracts in advance to make them start at that time period. And so what we saw during having the, this, this year we saw hash rate kind of, you know, just not really dip too much after having there was like a small drop directly after, and then it just started climbing right back up again. And this is partially because of the cheap plentiful electricity that was available during and after having.

And then, you know, you see it scale up all throughout the, the wetter Randy season, however you want to refer to it. And basically the whole point is to ROI on your machines quickly with these cheap electricity rates. And then they generally end in October. I think the dates is October 25th when most of them end, which just happened recently. And as we saw a hash rate dropped from a height of somewhere around like 148 extra hash, I think it was, and then it dropped if I remember quick, correctly, like 15 to 20% or something like that almost immediately. And then, so from, when you look at the top pools in terms of like the amount of hash rate flowing to them, you look at a pool in F two pool, htc.com and pool, a couple of the exchange pools, and you look at their hash rate, it dropped just sharply, mfter the contract’s ended. And then you’ll start to see them climb up a little bit more as the machines move from Sichuan to areas like shin Jong or inner Mongolia. And this can take anywhere from seven to 14 days. So I think it’s already starting to recover in some pools now, but, h think we’ll see the hash rate rise even more in the next week.

Yeah, that’s, that’s interesting. And, and, you know, for people that don’t know yeah, the, the wet season corresponds with hydro electricity. So they, they have these mining operations set up near dams that, that where they can get this really cheap power. And then they, like you said, they, they moved their miners to other data centers, to other mining facilities for the rest of the year where it’s a little bit more expensive, so that there is that little bit of downtime that, that causes the hash rate to kind of fluctuate. Right?

Yeah, exactly. And then I think the most significant part about this rainy season ending Oh, and just by the way that the, all those cheap electricity contracts, the hydropower is plentiful in Sichuan. So there’s a huge concentration of hash rate and the Sichuan province. But as this rainy season ends because difficulty despite it, it’s probably going to drop pretty soon. I think the last time I looked at the difficulty estimator, it was around 12 to 15%, but this is the first rainy season that once it ends a lot of the old gen machines won’t be as profitable to run anymore in China. So a lot of people will have the three, 3 cents per kilowatt hour to 3.30 cents per kilowatt hour electricity contracts. So they’ll have to shut off [inaudible] and things like that. And then, you know, there could be areas that could still run the machines, like S nines profitably with with custom firmware and things like that. But that’s, China’s a pretty untapped market in regards to that, because in my experience anyways, much of them don’t have any expertise or past experiences messing with third-party firmware. They pretty much stick to bit main.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that, that is a very interesting time that we’re in right now, because like you were saying, you know, there was a happening that occurred what season ending new machines, like S 19 are on back order for many months. And those S nine, you know, that, that workhorse that has been around for so long it now, yeah. A lot of people have sold those already. So yeah, it’s definitely, you know, you see that yearly cycle, but then there’s always these unique things that happen every year outside of that, that kind of mess with it. But yeah, so that’s, it’s crazy w what a industry to be in. Huh.

Yeah. And what’s, what’s interesting about the [inaudible] is despite, you know, many of them shutting off in China, they simply move to an area with cheaper electricity. And we see a lot of them actually going to parts of North America and South America some parts of CIS and middle East as well, but I’m seeing with, you know, stuff being accepted and formerly legalized by various governments say in like around our Venezuela, there’s a large demand for them. So there’s a lot of people kind of begrudgingly selling their used S nines down to Venezuela. I say begrudgingly, because the idea is that as older generation machines become unprofitable, they’re turned off, which kind of gives a minors, a break in terms of increases in difficulty because with new gen machines, at least the old ones will turn off, turns out this is a big case.

They just turn off temporarily until they find a new home. So you know, and then of course, can’t forget the energy programs in the United States that, you know, enjoy electricity rates as low as, you know, one to 2 cents for turning off their power at peak hours. Yeah. Uthey’re buying up S nines, like crazy by the tens of thousands. And because the ROI on that, when you look at the, how cheap the electricity is, you know, it’s anywhere, it could be like 40 days and after 40 days, that’s just pure profit on those. That’s nice.

Yeah, it’s crazy. Because right now you can get an S nine for, I don’t know, anywhere between $20 to $40, depending on if it has a, a bit main PSU or, you know, what country it’s in or, or whatever or how savvy you are at buying. But that, that really does tie into this whole, you know, hash rate distribution. And, and the, the, what’s it called the, the decentralization of, of the hash rate around the world. And yeah, w when you said they’re, they’re be grudgingly selling off their, their old equipment. You know, there, there is definitely a difference between, you know, capitulation and, and repurposing, you know, so there’s all these, all these different reasons why people stop mining or upgrade their minors or can’t upgrade their miners, you know, because of profitability profitability, or, or if they actually have the capital to do it or not. But but yeah, so I, I mean, what are you seeing as far as hatrick distribution and profitability of mining these days?

Well, kind of touching on the new machines and profitability. I, I personally wouldn’t go in on the new machines when you look at the M 30 S plus plus, or however many pluses it is, and the like [inaudible] and the S 19 pros, just because you know, the, the recent increase in BTC price has helped somewhat, but the ROI periods on those things are absolutely insane, like 500 plus days. And then difficulty will just increase over that time. So not technical,

It is 500 days, not even including the potential of the difficulty increasing, right. Yeah,

Exactly. So like, theoretically, it’s just like, you’re never going to ROI on these things, unless you have some really sweet electricity agreements, but

Moons or something. Right. Exactly. That’s, that’s what everyone wants.

I would love that personally, but yeah, so like, I’m hearing a lot of minors ask or like seeking out a machine that’s kind of more effective in terms of purchasing it in dollars per terahash. Because they do have access to some of these cheaper electricity rates, and they just are more interested in a quicker ROI. And then that includes even buying used machines from the previous generation in order to do this with [inaudible] kind of not being profitable in many regions, a lot of people are looking towards the T seventeens or like the [inaudible] becoming the new workhorse. I have a feeling that probably it’s probably going to be the [inaudible] just because the 17 series in my experience has that a whole hell of a lot of problems. Right. I’ve heard many miners say that swearing off Batman and never ordered again.

Cause you know, they ordered several thousand machines and experienced a 50% failure rate. And then of course the customer support responses to that hasn’t always been ideal. So that’s, that’s kind of my opinion on profitability and yeah, and new machines. I would kind of me personally, if I had access to good electricity rates, I would go in on a bunch of used, you know [inaudible] or something like that. Or maybe some 17 series that were in good working condition. Didn’t have heat sinks falling off and things like that. And then just try to get as much money out of those as possible. And, you know, you don’t have this ridiculous upfront cap X for that. In terms of hash rate distribution right now it’s still by far concentrated in China. When you look at a lot of these public reports coming out at hash rate distribution, I feel like the metrics are kind of flawed because it simply looks at a hash rate as bounded by state boundaries borders.

So they’re saying, Oh, there’s this much hash rate in China, there’s this much hash rate in the United States, but it doesn’t look at who owns that hash rate or basically who owns the machines that generate those hash rate, that hash rate, because most of the people my contacts in China that are like very large miners they invest all over the world and mining and a huge, you know, a huge part of the infrastructure built up in Iran and the CIS region came from Chinese investors. We’re talking like Kazakhstan, Russia Iran. So, and they own, you know, sometimes up to half of these facilities in terms of the initial investment. So I don’t think it’s a really accurate metric. I think if you take that into consideration, you know, probably closer to like 85% or upwards, right. And then you have to look at where the highest rate is distributed on a pool level. I think right now it’s like a 97% or something like that is in pools based in China, Beijing Schengen areas like that. And you know, the hash rate, if the Terminus point is at a pool in China, then, you know, and that pool controls the hash rate, then I’d say it’s, you could make a really good argument that in fact 97% of the hash rate is in China.

Exactly. Yeah. So it’s like, you’re saying it’s not just a geography and, and it’s some of the, the software and processes behind it like, like the pool that, that you belong to and, and where that’s developed or who owns that. Right.

Yeah. And I guess that would be like an easy segue into shilling stratum V2 job negotiation, but I’ll I’ll just do a quick 10, second thing of that so that we can move on, but, you know, job negotiation, allowing minors to select their own block templates. So should the pool rejecr their block templates. They can choose to mind with a different pool. And this gives more power to the miners themselves as opposed to the miner mining pools. So something to consider there is a grants right now through square crypto, for any developers interested in helping us push out that very last important feature for it. And yeah, that’s all I say on that.

And that, that has to do with Rust, right. The Rust language.

So most of the products we make are coded in rust or Python. But rust is a huge foundation for it. Yes. Okay.

Yeah. T I mean, D tell me a little bit more about that, that whole initiative. I mean, it’s, it’s interesting, and I’ve heard about it before, but, you know, just for, for the audience to understand what’s what’s going on and w you know, why w why is it important?

Yeah, so I would say I would probably break it up into three categories for strata and V2. Maybe a fourth, one being open source. Uit is open source as Stratton V1 was, and that’s the mining protocol that all the other mining pools now use that we invented,uback in 2010 and V2, you can kind of see as an upgrade to V1. It improves things on a security level, on an efficiency level, and helps the network become more decentralized. In terms of security, it prevents things like middlemen attacks that can hijack your hash rate. This is one of the most important security features we’ve added to our firmware that we released and prevents people from hijacking your, mour hash rate as has been the case in, in certain areas of CIS in China, that I can remember, efficiency, it’s data load transfers are much more efficient than V1. So you can, we’re talking about like a 40 or 50% reduction in data load transfers. And this can be important for people, especially in the oil and gas industry that are mining in really remote areas, relied on satellite internet or LTE SIM networks. And their second largest expense is, hata costs. So there, this really reduces costs for them on that. And then, mn terms of decentralization, kind of the job negotiation feature, which I mentioned before, which allows minors to submit their own block templates to the pool

Now, I mean, that’s, that’s a lot of benefits for sure. And I know you’re, you know, you’re in charge of business development, but to go back to that whole man in the middle at attack, can you kind of explain that from a more of a technical standpoint and how’s that how that’s possible to do and, and what that vulnerability is all about?

Yeah. Jeez, last time I spoke about this was probably of last year, so about a year ago, but from what I remember there was some miners that approached us that people were making these routers and hooking them up in facilities. And this would redirect hash rate to accounts that they controlled. I’m not exactly sure how they went about this, but this pretty much, it closes attack vectors, which allow people to steal hash rate from the miners, how it exactly does that. I I’d have to review notes. And even then, I don’t know if I’d be super comfortable talking about the technical details, just because that isn’t my expertise and I’d be at the risk of making a fool of myself. Yeah, I’d, I’d be happy to speak about it more with you later after the podcast, and once I send you over some articles.

Actually, yeah. What do you know about this one? Not much, to be honest, this is handled by the marketing department.

Oh, okay. So yeah, it’s just pretty cool that you guys are putting out these kinds of articles. And I came across this, I don’t know where it actually is available online. But this was a, a Google doc, but it’s basically talking about, you know protecting your, your network with HDTV versus HPS and different things like that, different attack vectors. So some of those things that, that you were talking about earlier, but a little bit in more technical detail on how that works, you know, being submitted to the pool from the minor. But yeah, I I’d be interested in, in figuring out where this article is actually posted and I could actually help you help you share it, I think.

Yeah, definitely. I think Christian is the one that shared that with you. We released it recently. UI think it had a lot of traction in Spanish speaking countries, because there was an outlet over there that translated it for us, but I’ll give you the best one to speak to about that. Yeah.

And then let’s see something about a new pool in Canada. Okay.

Oh yeah. So DMG, they, I believe before this venture, we’re mainly focused on managing data centers for their clients. Mostly focused in Canada BC, if I remember correctly and now they’re their big, new project is a KYC pool, which, you know basically it’s a pool where all people that participate in the mining pool are KYC seed and it’s fully compliant with all AML KYC laws and the region. And I think they also sensor OFAC addresses to prevent any minors from being exposed to mining transactions or working on a block that could get them in trouble. How this plays out in reality is going to be interesting peers at on one side, there is this demand for a product like this, especially from some of the larger, more public companies that are operating, especially in North America that want to remain compliant and not get busted by whichever regulatory body decides they want to arbitrarily make an example of someone.

But then on the other side it seems to destroy a lot of the incentives for miners mining on the network. And I don’t even know how it’s actually viable in the longterm, just because, you know, to not work on blocks that have transactions from areas under intense scrutiny and, you know, just flat out embargoes, like you know, say North Korea or Iran or something, you literally wouldn’t be able to mind any block, because I have a feeling that there’s at least one transaction from, you know, the list of places or addresses that, you know, in every single block that’s mine pretty much. So I’m not sure how a pool like that can be profitable for minors. And all I’ll say is that, I guess this kind of connects back to strata and V2 and why a pool like DMG would be incentivized to adopt it, especially when the job negotiation feature is out is because,uwith job negotiation and the miners selecting their own block template, they could basically prove to regulators that, you know, they had this list of OFAC addresses that they never included in their block template and thus never worked on.

And F the pool itself is supported,uis, has implemented V2 and supports this feature. Then,uthe miner themselves that are submitting this block template that maybe don’t have these transactions from these specific regions or addresses,uit may be less profitable, but they take on that risk. So everyone else in the pool would remain just as profitable as they would have been. And any decrease in profitability is taken on by the minor that submitted the block template. Uso in that sense, you know, the incentives could remain intact. Everyone would still enjoy the profits. They desired with the exception of some of these larger public companies that maybe are willing to,unot take as much profits in transaction fees in order to,uuremain compliant with some of these,uQAs AMO laws. And, you know, in the short term, I could see that working because transaction fees are, what about, you know, 10 to 12% of the mining rewards now over in the future after,umore halvings, I don’t see this as being really viable when more and more of the rewards are going to come from transaction fees.

Right. That makes sense. Yeah. So definitely in the short run, you know, there’s something to be said about it you know, while different governmental bodies are trying to come up with regulations that, you know, they want to try to, these companies want to reduce their risk and exposure. So they’re pretty at some of these things in place, but that definitely makes sense in the future when, when less of the reward comes from, from that it’s going to be a little bit more difficult. Right. but yeah, and I think that kind of ties back in, you know, before we end the podcast too, to this whole vertical inter integration, you know, of pools and financial services firmware, you know, you see, you were saying earlier in China, you don’t really see as much of that because they, they haven’t really needed to, but in America it seems to be like a race to zero, right. Like zero, zero fee. Can you just kind of speak to this whole vertical integration of, of pools and financial services and firmware and stuff like that?

Yeah. So basically because of just competition in the mining pool space, much of the fees have been driven to zero or close to zero. So for example you know, a very, very large minor in China operating on a FPS pool can negotiate probably down to below half a percent in fees. And then when the pool has to take on that much risk, they have to seek other bite like the variability. I mean, they have to seek on other avenues of revenue so that they can continue to provide that service for minors as well as remain profitable. So this has really driven pools to diversify in order to stay alive because it, you know, the running a pool just itself, isn’t really a profitable business, especially with some of the giants in the space that already, you know, driving fees down super low, a miner would have no incentive to operate, you know, on a smaller new pool that can’t offer the same competitive rates.

And it also requires a significant reserve and BTC. So what you see is pools starting to branch out into different services here at slush pool, one of the main projects we’re doing a couple, but the main one in the forefront right now is Brainsway plus, which is the performance enhancing firmware for Asics. Ume support S nine models, h 17 series T 17 series. And then after that, we’ll be supporting what’s minors, mhe [inaudible] and so on and so on for new hardware. And then you have other pools, like Pulin doing financial services. I believe they partnered up with the three arrows and, hlock flying. Was it, or something like that to offer their minors some yield on, home of the BTC that they mine. Um’m not sure how diversified the financial services offering for that is yet though. And then of course, there’s other people looking into loans, collateralized loans, or, hear zero interest loans for short term loans, here for minors to kind of, main some yield on, hhe BTC they have, or get some more leverage for maybe financing new machines or something like that.

And we’re going to see this, this is the trend that will continue you know, there are some exchanges that went to the mining pool, right? That happens the other way to people that were already in the mining sector, didn’t have a pool we’ll then add a pool over. I think with more recently, some information came out that Binance doesn’t even have its own pool. I think it’s like a white label of, or something like that. Yeah. Someone looked at the examiner, their transactions and the vast majority, almost all of them were going to a btc.com wallet. So

Interesting. Yeah. I I’ve seen them trying to market that, you know, for example, on telegram, I was contacted by somebody from Binance saying, Hey, you know, you want to try out our pool. And then also even via BTC, they they recently had tried to approach me and said, Hey, you know, we’ll, we’ll give you a good commission on, on the hash rate, you know if, if you convince people to put their minors over to our pool. But you know, eventually I just said, Hey, you know, guys, I, I really just prefer supporting North American based pools and initiatives just because the whole decentralization and, you know, the, the fact that, Hey, you know, I’m, I’m kind of proud of, of what we’re doing over here, but, but yeah, you know, at this point you know, I’m not very motivated to try to promote something like, like a Binance pool or a, you know, a, a China-based pool.

Well, especially right, when a CZ in the past has, you know, floated the idea of a block reorg just because of the hot wallet getting hacked I don’t know how much hash rate you want to let one organization control that has,ufreely and publicly floated the idea of a block reorg to, you know, retain some of the BTC that was totally from them.

Yeah. so what do you have what else do you have for us before we kind of wrap this up and, and you briefly touched on boss’ minor BOS minor and, and from whether you guys are doing what else is going on. Okay.

Let’s see here. I mean, the most recent thing would just be the firmware because we came out with support for the 17 series, both the S’s and the T’s, the T’s are still invited, but we’ll release will be out soon, some pretty good performance feedback on that. Some people are under clocking, there are 17 pluses and getting like 29 to 30 joules per terahash, which is pretty insane, basically turns it into S 19 efficiency. Yeah. And of course slush pool is free if you use it in tandem with brains and Wes plus yeah, we’re just trying to roll out as much hardware support on the firmware as possible. We have another project that I can’t really speak too much about that launches Q1 of 2021, and we’re just plugging away, nothing, nothing too new right now, besides continuing development on other projects and the release of the firmware recently.

Well, I bet you’re to kind of get out there and do some traveling and maybe maybe you’ll, you’ll come to North America in end of July next year.

Yeah. We had planned to go to the, the mining disrupt conference last year, but then of course, everything got canceled because of COVID excuse me this year in July, as well as all the other major conferences. So I I’m, I have to speak with Christian again about this, but I’m pretty sure we’re going to be there almost certain we’re going to be there. Awesome. So we have a,

A user just asking any options to the white label brains or, wow.

Yeah, actually that’s one thing I forgot to mention is that we have a brain’s partner program right now that’s,uallows minors that meet specific minimum requirements or not even minors. People that operate in the mining industry,uto white label brings us plus and branded themselves, or just to get a referral if they don’t want to brand it themselves or rather with their own brand. And this is sort of a revenue share model. And the person that joins the program receives a percentage of the revenue gained,uin exchange for helping us grow the amount of miners that use the firmware. Cool. So I would go check that out. Uyou know, I don’t have the URL for the Britain’s partner program on my end right now, but I would just go and Google or whatever internet browser you use, just, you know, brains us plus brains.com upartner, program browser. He’s still, he’s still like Yahoo, if you’re into that sort of thing.

Another, a final question. What are your views about how minors should adopt adapt into the snores taproot soft fork? Is that your expertise area or,

I mean, I’m not really sure what they mean by views in this case. As I understand it, I had a Bob McKell wrath kind of explain briefly over a call with some other minors, what exactly Schnorr and taproot was trying to accomplish. And it seems pretty uncontroversial. I don’t know anyone that is really against this. It seems like it’s widely supported and it’s going to happen. The only question is when it will happen, I think there’s two options. Uif it, if a bunch of miners signal support for it, then it can happen a couple of months sooner. If it’s, you know, there is just, just like uproar of support immediately, then it just happens a couple months later. And there were some questions about whether it would make the Bitcoin mining network vulnerable to quantum computing. UI don’t know how serious those concerns are though, but from what I understand, it’s pretty much universally supported. So I’d,uI guess my views are,uI’m happy to see Bitcoin continuing to progress and be developed and add new functionality because it just makes it better and stronger for the future.

Well, awesome. Hey, so how, how can people find you online Edward

Online? Well, I live on telegram, so yeah, you could find my on any of the previous websites I mentioned, but the other spot I’m on sometimes would be Twitter I’m at will hash for coins is my username and the fours, the number four @willhash4coins. But other than that, you can find me in pretty much any mining telegram group. I I’m pretty much everywhere on there and I’m more than happy to open up my DMs on Twitter or in telegram to speak to anyone about mining. Should they need assistance, want to get signed up or just want to shoot the basically.

Awesome. Well, great, man. It was good talking with you today. Edward, and I hope to maybe have one of you guys back in Q1, maybe, maybe we’ll be the first to share the news of your new project.

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