Crypto Mining Tools presents Jim Andersen on today’s podcast episode. His blockchain and crypto mining experience started 4 years ago as a living room hobby, moving to the garage, and then on to be the owner of a successful mining farm, mining pool operator, and consulting services company. Jim now works full time as the Vice President of Operations for a Blockchain Infrastructure as a Service (BIaaS) company called Distributed Ledger, Inc. DLI provides networking, communications, and hardware infrastructure for all manner of blockchain projects and crypto focused initiatives as well as managing a large colocation mining facility. He holds industry certifications in networking and computing security related disciplines as well as a degree in intelligence operations and is a Certified Bitcoin Professional.

Fun Fact: He once worked as a computing security specialist for Boeing on the Airborne Laser Program (modified Boeing 747-400F platform with a big laser on the nose) and now vows to one day travel into space.


We’re live. All right. Welcome everybody to the crypto mining tools podcast. I’m your host. Scott offered and your cohost, Ethan circle over here. Hey, everybody Ethan circa here. And then down over here, we have Jim Anderson who has a beard that I’m very jealous of and also want to let everybody know that this is the last time you’re going to see me smooth face because the beard is going to start growing from here on out. So nice.

Yeah. Yeah. Awesome.

Am it’s great to have you with us today. You know, Bitcoin is just over 10,000 today. I was hoping it would be a little bit higher for this podcast recording, but

Yeah, dive recently. I hope nobody was too long on it or bought it at the top, but yeah, that’s how crypto goes,

But yeah. So today we’re going to be talking a little bit about blockchain and mining and crypto. So we just want to know a little bit more about you and how you got into the industry and you know, what you’ve been up to in the past and what you’re up to now.

Yeah, sure. Well, it all began. All right. Well, it all started back when so my most of my, my professional career from the time I was 18 on, I’ve been in the military and then government. So for the past couple of decades, I was doing that and it’s nice, good stable job. I like doing it. Mostly in intelligence and communications, that type of thing somewhere along the way, I would say pre 2017 Ethereum craze a buddy of mine minded Bitcoin with the GPU over a good amount of time, even though it’s still, those are the days. Yeah. So after watching him do that I somewhere in between the time that he finished and something happened with Ethereum where it was still pretty new, I, I kinda got an interest in, I was aware of Bitcoin already. Hadn’t done any mining.

And I thought, well, I love hardware. I’ve always been a junkie from the Tandy 1000 that my dad brought home when I was a kid. I remember those from radio shack, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I’m big on hardware, custom bills, you know, the building rigs forever gaming rigs. So I got this idea of why don’t I just, you know, I can to six cards in a row, are you kidding? This is the, this is a thing. Now you can, you can put it together and you can, at the time cards weren’t too expensive. Ethereum was pretty profitable, but it wasn’t, like I said, it was pre 2017 Cray stuff. So I put one together and I was like, well, this just from a hardware aspect, I loved it. It was fun to get all these things working together.

And it looked pretty cool to kind of steam punk is right. So on the flip side, of course I’m making money at this and other red bull, you go, it’s all, it’s all it turned into. Okay. I did this one time. I bought some us and some dash miners and D three. So that goes for my first Asics. And I moved into, at some point you run out of outlets in the house and you go to the shed and then there’s the build out. So at the time that I was maxing out our power and our electricity I decided I had a, I’ve always been a fan of history and mining, traditional mining. And I live in Arizona. Of course, there’s a lot of minds and things you can poke around. And so I owned a patented money claim, but 200 some acres up in the Cherokee mountains, I thought, wow, I’m not really using it for anything anymore.

So I sold that, use those proceeds to fund a digital crypto mining farm and went to town. And this was just about the time of the Ethereum Cray. So things were, were good, but they’re also getting really expensive. Yeah. And well, I, I just, I went to town when I started, you know, building GPU miners and offering, you know, hosting services and async mining. And then I went into pools running, you know, I thought, well, I’m going to do mining and I’ve have enough power pools. And I guess, yeah, it just, I’m still working a full time job. So at, at one point the the owner of distributed ledger Mike got in touch with me probably something around Loki in the crypto night. And we, we just started talking and, and basically long story short I wound up folding down the business, closing the rolling up into deal.

I took a position running all their you know, mining equipment and then some operations in general. And it was just a, a good time to transition from my previous career into doing crypto full time. And it was scary and risky, but at the same time, you just, you know, you see the opportunity and you say the heck with it, I’m going to go for it. Right. And here I am a year or two later and I’m rocking and rolling and we’ve kind of coming out of this bear market. So things are looking good. Any regrets, so far regrets. Yeah. I can’t say that I ever have regrets because if you learn from it, then, then you’re better off. Right. Are the things that would’ve done differently? Absolutely.

I mean, I’m just looking at the markets going, Oh yeah. I could have done a lot better. But I can’t say I regret it because I’m happy where I’m at. And the mistakes I’ve made I’ve learned from, and then I in turn provide that to our customers and our clients now. Right. That the pitfalls, you know, our consulting services you know, the pitfalls that I’ve been through and that some of the others in deal I have been through we can share up front and say, you know, be wary of this. You we know ahead of time. Yeah. So what, why don’t you tell us a little bit about a distributed ledger and kind of what you guys do there? Okay. So distributed ledger is a blockchain technology service provider. We do infrastructure as a service. We also do mining as a service.

So you can think of it along the lines of you know, you’ve got Amazon and you’ve got Google cloud. We come from a traditional on distributed ledger is actually a a fairly new company, I would say in the last couple of years, born from a much older traditional telecom data center. We’re ISP service, everything from IP beauty and voice to data centers and infrastructure all over the U S and we have a global cloud presence. So what we did is we took that you know, decades of experience with our engineers and did a blockchain specific company that essentially tries to further the adoption and ecosystem of blockchain. So we provide the infrastructure and then we also provide mining as a service. And they kind of go hand in hand, which gets back to if I’m mining and I’m running mining pools, or if I want to run distributed remote daemons and nodes for wallet sinking, or and now there’s proof of stake and other things coming online.

So we do provide those services as well. I mean, it, it just, it’s all very complimentary. So that’s in a nutshell, is what we do is we provide the infrastructure and we, we do some blockchain development or, and we know others that can assist with that, but it’s primarily infrastructure supporting everything. And then of course the mining as a service as well, a lot of people like to mind, not everyone can do it for various reasons. Right? Sure. Yeah. Oftentimes on our website, I get a question, you know, like what Bitcoin miners should I choose, or which should I mind with? And people just don’t, they don’t realize, you know, they, they still think this is something you could buy, like a home computer and you can plug it into your wallet and it’ll work. And they just have no idea that it doesn’t work that way.

It’s gone to an enterprise level scale in terms of use of energy and what the machines, you know, in terms of performance. So that’s a good point. I like to think that we, we don’t, we certainly like the enterprise level we’re comfortable and we’re familiar with that area, but that doesn’t mean that we’re very exclusive to enterprise. We do have enterprise level services, and we do provide that from everything from the local ice cream shop to banks and financial institutions on the traditional side, we can do that with crypto as well, but we also want to provide an opportunity for everyone to participate. So one of the things that we can mention publicly, it’s kind of been mentioned a little bit before is we’re there’s, there’s a colocation facility that’s merging with us at right now. And you probably have heard of it if you’re a miner, you’ve probably heard of Lightspeed.

Okay. Customer service, great reputation, amazing bunch of guys. We just so happen to be in, in very parallel efforts and it just made sense to kind of our efforts that way. So, you know, one of the things that Lightspeed does is they cater to the minor with one or two machines. You know, it’s not, you know, Tanner or go home or a hundred to go home, or we don’t want to deal with the, with the small time hobby minor. We take everybody in, we want to provide the same level of service regardless. And that gets important. You know, customer service is very important and there’s a lot of pitfalls and unknowns in crypto. We all know this, so you can provide a trusted resource and a place to, to do your mining with those professionals than it’s just a good fit for everybody. So, yeah. And

So you were, you were talking about some of the things you do, but I don’t know if you’re allowed to talk about who some of your customers are, like, what, what are some examples of, of people that,

Yeah. Can you give us like a case study that’s hard to do? I believe I want to, and I usually get slammed for sanctions. There are. So I, I certainly spend a lot of time helping miners in this court, you know, just at the lowest level. There’s a there’s I think I saw a name in the audience, a guy that I’m helping, you know, learn how to use Linux and run a mining pool, just, just for gym. So it starts there and it kind of the grassroots level where you’re, you’re, you’re working one on one with my hobby miners and people who just wants to learn how to mine. Right. and then of course, if you go out of your house and you want to actually go into co-location center, what course we can provide those services as well. But then there’s on the flip side of it.

There’s, there’s an enterprise level, you know, we talk with a blockchain projects and they don’t have to be, you know, mining focused. If, if you have a proof of stake project or you just have a a blockchain project that, you know, as, as you know, in blockchain technology, it’s, it’s changing the world. It doesn’t necessarily require mining or, I mean, it can run autonomously as just a system of distributed ledger and, you know, digital record keeping, right. So work with, to be so much easier if I didn’t have to talk around who they work in organizations and people that are at our, at our, at the enterprise level that just wants to get in the game. These are all still early adopters. For the most part, this isn’t necessarily mainstream yet.

They like companies that are looking to launch tokens


Like certain apps. Like, I, I know you said you, you yourself really loved the hardware, but I’m sure your company does a lot of software.

Yeah. So we support the infrastructure that the software runs on more so than the development of the software itself. Right. So if a project has you know, a prime example is DLI nodes, the ally is something that is just been up right now we’re actually releasing that as a, as a staking service, right? So we provide the infrastructure for you to go in either the, I believe the self hosting button is probably in maintenance right now, but you can go in and you can rent a VBS server. And you can do everything on your own. So if you’re a project that has a you’re you’re writing code, and you want to let’s say a good example would be you know, we need to, we need to some more remote daemons for our wallets because we have the software wallet, and we need to have multiple touch points in order to sync better.

We know we’re getting slammed with transactions type thing, but you go in, you can, you know, administer your own server and spin that up real quick. It just a contrast, a lot of times people will go to Amazon. They know Amazon cloud, right? Or Google cloud, or a digital ocean vulture has nursed. Some of the other VPs providers, those are very popular to use, right? The problem is that you’re just a number, right? And their business model is essentially to sell the infrastructure, but it’s to everybody, right? They have to cater to a wide range of customers. We cater to blockchain specifically. So if you want to run a Zen secure node, for example, I run them myself. I know exactly what it takes to run those. And we have the network of peers and the professionals behind. So I will set up a quick button that says, you want to run a Zen secure node or a super node, right.

And there’s a difference, super regards, an IPV six, for example. So we have this all predetermined and you get exactly what you need at probably half the price, honestly, compared to your traditional hosting services where you are, you kind of have to go with the lowest common denominator, right? Like two VCPUs, four GPU, four gigs of Ram and 120 gigabytes of storage. Well, you have to go with the lowest common denominator, find the right package, where you might be paying for extra, that you don’t necessarily need. We have the ability to tailor that down to the very specific project that you want. And if you have, if there’s another project out there, that’s not represented, just tell us, and we’ll look into it. And we’ll work with that team to set that up. That’s like the self hosting side of things. And then there’s the DLI hosted side of things.

And that button is active. As a matter of fact, we just stood up a harmony validator. So if you want to get into staking in delegating, you know, we have a very quick and easy way for you to delegate your harmony to our validator. So that’s more of a service that we provide. And then to take that one step further, when you have larger clients that are looking to either build their own blockchain or integrate to their own blockchain, a lot of times it’s a positional thing where they want to integrate their current business model and transition it to blockchain. Maybe not all at once. It’s a little bit risky. Sometimes people get a little, like you can’t just stop business, right? So those are much longer larger efforts where it’s you know, we take the time to, to really understand what their need is.

First of all, I have a tech background and in doing a lot of systems training and, and technology research and in implementation. And I learned a long time ago that just because a new cool, shiny buzz widget doesn’t mean it’s the best fit, right? Oh yeah. Here’s the blockchain buzz word. And you’re like, Oh, let’s do that. Use case might not be proper. Or there might be something you’re not considering. So will we take the time to understand first? It’s a really long answer. I don’t know if I was, that was a great answer. I do have one question for you though. And you may or may not be able to answer me, so hopefully you’ll be able to answer this. Are you considering using other cryptocurrency technologies? We’ll just leave it at that such as like see a coin or side a coin as some people call it and integrating it with your technology set, because it offers some, some big advantages as well.

So the short answer is yes. Okay. As you know, you could probably on deal that on, you know, a hundred different times, right? There’s, there’s a lot of different ways to say yes, we don’t necessarily create the technology, but if there is a use case for it and C coin has, as you know, Lightspeed integrating with us is, is probably the, well, it is the world’s largest hosting center for, for obelisks. Right. So sequin is, is pretty important to that operation. But not just because the miners are there because it’s, it’s a technology that is really Oh, yeah, yeah. That’s right. So, you know, using it is, is kind of a you know, are we going to provide a file storage services, maybe if that’s what you’re getting at, then yes. That’s because it’s, it’s magnitudes of orders far cheaper than the enterprise solutions that are currently out there.

And so that’s the beauty of what we do at DLI is we have the infrastructure already there. We don’t have to start from scratch. Right. And, and I don’t know how many business owners are out there that have tried to start something from scratch is not easy. You have a lot of capital expenses upfront. We are, we’ve already invested in all that. And we already have it at our disposal. So if, whether it’s file storage and so you’re going, does streaming now too. And I haven’t messed with that too much yet. But those are certainly services that we provide. Now, if it’s not that maybe it’s a file coin or maybe it’s storage, or maybe it’s, I’m pretty agnostic to technology. Sure. I try not to pick winners if it works and it works the best. I will tell you if it heard perfect case by case, I’ll tell you at that, do I’m very, I try to be very objective because at the end result is we are providing a service just like you guys, do you provide a service, right.

Customer is very important, cause that is your commodity, right? That’s, what’s important to you. So you have to provide the best service possible and you have to be very upfront and honest about it. Right. What about other technology sets such as orchid or kid recently got on my radar and I’ve done a lot of deep diving into it, and I found it, you know, a very useful technology and we’re trying to pump that that bad. Okay. Yeah. I’ll, I’ll be those shilling organism VPN provider. There’s been a few VPM provided projects before that I’ve been involved with and they all have varying levels of success. I can’t say whether or not work is going to be successful. We have good marketing for sure. But the underlying technology, I haven’t really done a deep dive into yet. The concept is sound and, and I, and I like it.

Now. We do provide those services and, you know, already. But one thing that I think might set us apart is in addition to being very blockchain focused, we also we live, eat, sleep, breathe, crypto. We run our company on crypto. We’ve talked before about, you know it used to be a lot harder where you, you know, you’re, you’re mining crypto or you’re dealing with it, but at some point you gotta, you gotta offer it to you. Right. You gotta go back into Fiat. How do you do that? That’s, that’s usually an afterthought and it’s almost too late. Sometimes there are a lot easier tools. Now we have partnerships with companies turning out with like the black card. Cause someone we’ve worked with in the past where you can use a visa card, that’s backed by crypto. And it’s, it’s fairly easy to, to exchange.

But my point is that we try to run, our company is it’s run on crypto internally. Right. So we’re trying to advocate that adoption. So things like VPN services, if it makes sense we can host or orchid VPN, or they call it clinical nodes. We can, we can host that service. Yes. but if it doesn’t make sense, if there’s a better way to do it in the end, we’re just agnostic to it. Right. It’s we have the infrastructure if orchid as a project wants to contact us. Absolutely. but if it’s just us trying to provide services to another clients it’s just case by case, you know, does it make sense or not, you know, bottom line. So we have different question here from the peanut gallery. Brett, I think he might know Brett. Hey, highly, highly.

Okay. He says, Jim, how are you monitoring your minors? What technology and tools are best in your mind for fleet Paul? So, okay. That’s a great question. It is a really good question. X client X it’s a, you know, you really have to look at it at different two levels, right? So I hobby mine all the time, even in my, in my house right now, I know I got kicked out, but I still have, there’s a minor on the bench over here. There’s one down the garage. When you, when you’re doing hobby mining, it’s really whatever makes sense to you, right. I think there’s two things. One you monitor the system itself. And I’m not trying to plug or show any companies. You can use hive OOS, you can use simple, minor, you can use FOS. There’s, there’s a lot of different, awesome minor, I think has some there’s minor stat, take your pick.

They’re all, they all have pluses and minuses, and they’re all really good for monitoring your rigs at home, right? Your hobby level. Another thing is learn to use Excel. I can’t stress that enough track, what you’re mining every day. You don’t have to log it every day, but, you know, go back over the records of the pool and, you know, at least once a week track what you’re mining, it’s really important because you have to understand not only the live snapshot of your dashboard as you’re moving things around and switching algorithms, but what are the end results as well at the enterprise level? It’s a whole nother ball game, especially when you’re in a co-location environment where our clients expect things to be up 24, seven, three 65. Everyone expects that. I expect that realistically it’s never going to happen, but it doesn’t mean I can’t strive for it.

So we have a lot of redundancies in place in a lot of to be honest, most colocation facilities usually roll their own for the most part. And that’s the source that Lightspeed has as well as it’s an internal roll your own solution backed by a very talented group of, of software developers who have really made the solution work for Lightspeed is that product exportable probably. But you run the risk of a lot of like minor stat is a good example or awesome minor. They can handle things pretty large scale right there they’re designed to. So, yeah. But you, you run the risk of at some point something doesn’t work, right. Or you need to fix and you know, your one client in the sea of many. So your level of usage, you might not dictate a high priority for getting your change done. So at some point there’s a level where you kind of have to roll your own.

Yeah. And I’ve seen that too. You know, just being in the industry for a few years you know, and I’ve, I’ve been on a team that has helped develop solutions like that. And, and it comes to a point where your target market is you know, a certain demographic where they don’t only have 10 minors, you know, but they don’t have 10,000 miners somewhere in between where maybe they haven’t looked into rolling their own, like you said yet. Or maybe they just don’t have the capabilities internally to do it. You know? I mean, maybe they’re, they’re a new startup and they’re, they’re hosting minors for other people and they want to provide a solution to their end customers. Those types of people are looking for a management solution. They might not be able to roll their own. But they also might not be able to pay those enterprise level fees. So yeah, I hear what you’re saying there. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, to just make your own from the start is just not feasible usually. They’re they’re all good. So there’s a lot of good solutions out there. You just kind of have to take what works for you. The best. I, I don’t really want to show one program or another I’ve used most all of them. And, and they’re all good. I mean, there’s, there’s nothing really better. So it’s, it’s, it’s kind of a, it’s a good question. It’s a hard one to answer, but at the same time, take your pick, right. You know, whatever works, the ones that work you know, with GPS and you have some that work with Aztecs and there’s a whole mixed bag out there. If you’re a GPU miner and you’re looking for something easy, use hive or simple minor, those are, are probably the easiest to get rolling. Right. I can say that I use those right now, currently. So they were pretty easy. Yeah. What are some things to,

Oh, avoid, if you are getting into this as a hobby,

Sorry. The comment there, that’s some things to avoid avoid the hype, avoid the FID. It’s never too late and you don’t have to rush. Right. I, I think the yeah, time is money, but you don’t have to have it right away right now. And don’t pay ridiculous fees right now. For example, if you want to go buy a car. Well, actually right now, if you want to buy like a 10 80 or 28, it’s probably a good time with the new Nvidia release of the throw. Yeah. I can’t wait. The also with the Ethereum craze going on right now and all the fees and everything else the most efficient GPU miners are, are not Nvidia. They’re usually AMD. And I know some people don’t like them because you have to fiddle with them, but that’s also your strength, right?

So you go try to buy a 5,700 right now, prices are going up pretty fast. You don’t have to get the latest, greatest be patient. I bought a bunch of mine on sale. Look for them buy used, right? Don’t, don’t try to just go out and buy everything all at once because I think the best piece of advice is whatever rig you build first or whatever you start with, just consider it a hundred percent loss. Don’t even try to make your money. Don’t even, don’t even think about it that way. If you’re approaching it from I’m going to do this to make a bunch of money, you’re starting off on the wrong foot. That’s

A lot of people who come to us like that.

And then they’re like, huh,

Come. Every calculator that I look at, nothing is profitable.

And I spent so much time every week and I enjoy it trying to help people understand how to calculate mining profitability. It’s not the what to mind calculator online and believe me, I’m on what to mine every day. I’m not knocking that website whatsoever. Sure. I’m there every day, but you can’t take that as a gospel. This is what I’m going to make.

So what is your favorite calculator to use or what is your system?

Well, if you’d like to schedule a consultation, I use Excel. I have own formulas that I put into Excel that I use. Should that be translated into a nice gooey? Yes, absolutely. My intent was to learn Python to do just that, but, you know, I can only do so many things. So I use a lot of experience in a lot of searching over time and I’ve combined it into an Excel spreadsheet that allows me to do all these calculations.

Yeah. Yeah. Typically what I would, I tell people, I mean, Bitcoin is one thing, you know, the, the algorithms that have been around for awhile, the coins that have been established already, you know, they have hash power and, and it’s a little bit more predictable as far as what that’s going to be. Like.

It’s kind of crazy to say that, but it’s true. Yeah. Kind of predictable. It’s kind of stable, right? Yeah.

And then there’s all these altcoins that are just popping up and people want to try to late. And, and yeah. So usually what I say there is, you know, Hey, if you’re wondering if you’re going to ROI, you’re going to buy this new ASIC miner or whatever it is for this new algorithm. I say triple the difficulty and cut the price of the coin in half, figure out your ROI. If you’re still happy, then maybe, maybe try buying it. You know?

Yeah. That’s a good system. I mean, you might have to adjust it slightly, but I like that, you know, triple the difficulty, reduce it in half reduce the price in half. Yeah. A lot of times you get stuck in that hole. What is it currently? And you don’t know what the future’s going to hold charts to kind of, I take the Bitcoin price over time and I average it out. And then I kind of use a predictive average into the future on what the difficulty in price might come out to be. It’s never been an accurate. What are your, what are your thoughts on the stock to flow model? Have you ever considered any of those predictions? I’ve gone back and forth with it. I don’t put a lot of validity in it because I think there’s just not enough data to really, I mean, you can find correlations and similarities with anything.

So this gets back to my former career as being an analyst and intelligence. And I do a lot of analysis and pattern recognition and modeling, modeling, and simulations is actually what a different life, the last 10 years before this. So in the end, you’re going to find patterns in correlations anywhere you look, you can always find them. So, and sometimes the stock flow model looks good and it makes sense at other times it doesn’t make any sense. So I don’t know if there’s really a good system yet. That really explains everything. It’s it’s it’s so it’s probably part of the appeal is it’s so unpredictable, you know, it’s, it’s just too hard to nail down the risky book. Do you believe that you know, the stock flow model predicts that the next all time high will be, you know, a hundred thousand plus, do you, do you think that that’s a possibility or are you seeing evidence?

Is it the contrary? Yes. Let me put it this way. Like, do you think the, the prediction is relatively accurate? Hmm, no, not at all. At some point we’ll get there, but the problem is you’re putting in there’s way too much speculation. There’s not a lot of meat underneath the foundation of the price yet. And there’s, there’s too many unknowns and there’s too many variables and there’s so much speculation that when you put that timeframe on it, that’s where you run into problems. And obviously everyone wants to know the time. Right. so to say that it will reach a hundred thousand sure. To give you a time I can’t and that’s where I run into issues where sometimes it makes sense, but when you look at what just happened yesterday, right? So where’s the, and you see this a lot too, like, Oh my God, Bitcoin’s dumping what what’s going on.

What’s the, what’s the effect. It’s, it’s never one thing. It’s always accumulation of many, many things that are unpredictable in stock. The flow does a good job of getting close. Just like I use what’s mine. It gets me close. But in the end you can’t use it as an end, all be all. And I think that’s where I kind of have take issue with it. Not that it’s, it doesn’t really take a tether manipulating the market in, into play. Does it? Yeah. I mean, stable coins were, where are those committed play? There’s a big one, right? When you look at the Ethereum gas prices right now, the two biggest, you know, defy what’s going on with, with yield farming. Holy crap. I’m making a killing on it, theory mining right now, but it’s also hurting the network. And when you look at the tether, I think it’s number two now when it comes to gas prices, but the amount of volume, I mean, it takes a team of analysts to even begin. And th they’re probably out there, I’m sure that that might have some more hours. But at this normal, yeah, I’m afraid we lost one of our best and brightest. Just a very recently, right? Yes. Really came as a shock to me. Yeah.

He probably had, had the best analytics of anybody I’ve seen in the industry. I’m sure. You know, maybe there’s private teams or something that did better, but nobody was, was just nailing it. Like he was, I’ve read it more than once. I still have it in my, my reference folder. Actually. It’s a good resource to go back to. Yeah. That is quite unfortunate. It was a sad day. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So Jim, I’m gonna kinda try to wrap things up here, but I’m going to ask you one last question. Tell us what’s going on in the background behind you. I see spools and not machines. You’re not, you’re not making any nuclear weapons or anything custom build I’m doing. We’ll just leave it at that for right now we provide, that’s not it’s just kind of a side services.

You know, if you need something custom built for, you know, a one off thing, for whatever reason you know, we can do those things. It’s also a personal project, so it kind of fits both ways. The spools and everything are three D printers. And I think everyone should have one they’re amazing. You will never notice more broken things around the house than when you have a three D printer. Right. And then you can just scan it and get it, and then just remake it now that you know, the, the dryer handle breaks. And you’re like, you know, I can, I can just print one of those. He used it for money GPU clips on a piece of your risers. Right. Okay. I designed my own clips or you can, I mean, you can download designs to and then you lock those in because you know, those risers come out all the time, those cables and everything, things.

So AC vent fans, you know cash in the back you could make housing shrouds that could convert to like dryer, duct. Yeah. Yeah. So that’s, that’s the, the the workshop, if you will. That is awesome, man. That is awesome. Jen, tell everybody how they can reach out to you. You mentioned discord, but what’s a good way that people can reach out to you. And if they’re interested in furthering a conversation the easiest way to reach out, although maybe not the most direct is to just go to distributed ledger inc com or [inaudible] dot com. Both of those websites are up and available. You can also go to fracking, That is our own proprietary fracking minor. And you know, I’ll get the email. If you send it a contact there right away, you can also find me on discord.

And I am on telegram, unfortunately, more of a fan of discord because I can do you know, code snippets and things, and it’s easier to get along. And I’m a gamer guy, so it’s just, yeah, you can find me in what is my tag? I don’t remember my specific tag. You might know me under the name of six liter. I forget the number tag, but I hang out. So I’ll, I’ll look that up right now, here on a telegram. Now you’ve got me on here it is. Telegram and discord. I think so. Yeah.

Yeah. That’s awesome. Comments here. Yeah. Magic money wizard logo. That’s make magic internet money. That’s what it is. Yeah. There we go. Yeah, that’s me. And your, your website, one of them is fracking, minor fracking, minor. Yes. Dot com distributed ledger as the company. So distributed ledger inc is probably the best way. The fracking minor is probably going to go through a version to revamp soon enough. Wow. That’s awesome. Look forward to it. Yeah. Well, Jim, thanks so much for being our guests and you know, just sharing your wealth of knowledge with, with everyone. We really appreciate it. And yeah. I look forward to seeing how things are going in the future with you. Absolutely. Yeah. Thanks for having me on guys. I mean we’ve, you know, we’ve done business in the past for quite some time and I’ve wanted to get on the podcast for awhile since episode four, mining friends of ours, actually. So I’m glad to finally be here and you know, maybe I’ll be back. If you guys need to talk some more, you have some, you know, we have something else that we want to bring out. We’d like to use this platform. We really appreciate you guys. If you need mining equipment as a supplier, crypto mining tools is the place to go. I’m telling you. Yeah. Awesome. Well, thanks, Jim. Yeah. Getting to know you here. Hi Scott. Thanks a lot. Take care. Bye.

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